Real Deal on Change: Unlocking Healthy Transformation

 

Wit & Reason with alex and DR. Alexis

Tired of wellness fluff? We are too. In this episode, therapist Alex Honigman, LCSW, and community psychologist Dr. Alexis Moreno get real about what actually supports mental health and behavior change. From how alcohol quietly impacts your long-term health, to why conflict keeps cycling in your relationships, to what most people get wrong about “self-improvement”... this is your no-nonsense guide to real, sustainable change. We’re talking emotional wellness, science-backed tips, and the messy reality of making progress—and keeping it.

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Dr. Alexis Moreno - Wit & Reason

ALEXIS MORENO, PSYD, MA, MS - SHE/HER

PSYCHOLOGIST, HEALTH CORRESPONDENT, Speaker, & Founder

Dr. Alexis (she/her) utilizes the powerful impact awareness, education, & opportunity have on mental health. She mindfully creates fun & supportive experiences for her speaking and media audience and private clients to safely explore their true values, learn new healthy practices, & take action steps toward living authentically.

She has a Doctorate in Clinical Community Psychology, a Master of Arts in Marriage & Family Therapy, & a Bachelor of Science in both Television Broadcasting & Psychology. With over 16 years of experience in media & psychology, she aims to make mental health relatable & accessible for all through her coaching, consultation, & media outreach.

Dr. Alexis provides media, speaking, & mental health consultation services. Book a complimentary consult with Dr. Alexis today!

Alex Honigman - Wit & Reason

Alex Honigman, LICSW, MA- HE/ HIM

Clinical Director, Speaker, Therapist, & Executive Coach

Alex (he/him) enjoys the relationship between the psyche and society. Having never wanted to pick a side in the nature versus nurture debate he pursued degrees in both Psychology and Sociology and finally a Masters of Social Work with an emphasis on clinical interventions. He has worked as an educator for non-profits and lecturer for Universities. Starting as a therapist for survivors of trauma, moving on to perpetrators and spent significant time as a Licensed Clinical Social Worker at a Forensic State Hospital. Alex continues to emphasize culture as a key component to effective therapy and the changing of systems (organizations and businesses). Whether this be through; music, film, tv, art, comics, games, memes or other aspects of popular (or sometimes unpopular) culture. Utilizing an individuals cultural values to make for a more meaningful individualized therapeutic intervention.

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Episode Transcription

Dr. Alexis: I'm Dr. Alexis Moreno. I'm Alex. Therapist and husband. You are currently away.

Alex: Yes. Which is

Dr. Alexis: unusual.

Just today I had someone say like, Are you guys ever in the same room together?

Alex: All the time, like all day, every day. Usually, well, not when I'm seeing clients, but yeah.

Dr. Alexis: Yeah, and I'm like, usually we're working and living together in close quarters. So this is one of the rare occasions where you are far away.

I am. You're up in Long City, West Virginia, a population of less than 500, but two hours from DC.

Alex: That's cool. With amazing people out here, but I [00:01:00] don't see them because right now I'm working on the house. And ensuring that our next guest will have a glorious and wonderful, relaxing, wellness based time.

Dr. Alexis: Alex and I are not only both mental health professionals, but we're also married. I founded Wit Reason, which is our mental health consultation and therapy practice. Then Alex and I co founded Pudding Wellness Psychology. Into design with Luna de Honey.

Alex: You see it all of the time in all sorts of ways, whether it's marketing or interior design or I don't know, ergonomics.

But we mean, we don't put it all together in some nice, tidy package for like your home away from home, however, in your home. So we do that now for anybody who's interested. Yes. And so that's like

Dr. Alexis: a cool way of us. And taking a break from some of the, the intellectual [00:02:00] consultation work that we do, and the,

Alex: the physical

Dr. Alexis: and emotional labor, labor of clinical work that we do.

And then actually get to like play and design and, uh, see something tactile come to fruition, you know? It's cool to see all the change, uh, in our, in our clients that we work with. Um, but it is also nice for our brains to be able to have something that was like physically, environmentally, a hot mess that we transform into something gorgeous and functional and fun.

Alex: Yeah, no, I mean, it's a wonderful creative endeavor. It's a great aspect of expression. And it's also like that instant gratification, if you will, since it's like there, you did it, it's with your own hands and a wonderful experience.

Dr. Alexis: That's been fun. How, how have things been for you today and working with people?

I've been working with a variety of different types of clients. When I say clients, I could mean [00:03:00] anything from workplace and media consultation to. Performance coaching, dating, wellness. I work with a wide variety of people and needs. Alex, your clients also range as well.

Alex: Yeah, I see individuals, I see couples, I do a lot of traditional, more traditional therapy, but I also do a lot of executive work and in executive spaces and coaching in that realm to process of improvement.

But yeah, today was a great day of seeing people who are interested in making change in their lives. And I think that it. It's the start of something when people are processing things and engaging in things to talk about change, right? When they get into therapy for the first time and even talking about changing for other.

In fact, I had a good question today about like, how do I help other people? Make change, like not me, but how did they, as the client was asking, how did they kind of look at making changes or assisting other people in change?

Dr. Alexis: It [00:04:00] was one of those situations where it's like, I have a question for a friend.

It's not

Alex: for

Dr. Alexis: me. It's, it's, it was

Alex: legitimately a friend when they were like looking out for somebody and they were like, kind of like. I'd hope,

Dr. Alexis: I'd hope they feel comfortable, like just being direct with you and saying like, Hey, I have this issue versus, I mean, like when we're out, when we're out and about in public, the people might, might do the whole, the pool of like, I have this friend that has this issue.

You're working with someone who actually had a legitimately had a friend who, or who needed some help with something.

Alex: Yeah. They're kind of like, Hey, look, like I see my friend going down this path. You're talking about different aspects of maybe like. A bit of drinking, a bit of maladaptive behaviors, you know, the negative things that we do, maybe a little self destructive, maybe not so wonderful and kind of going down a path.

And they felt a little helpless around that thing. They didn't quite know how to like have the conversation. It was interesting to kind of work with them on that. Because, you know, I mean, as a therapist, there's a therapist answer to that. Right. Like as a friend, like, you know, how do you talk to your friends about those things or people [00:05:00] you're close with?

Dr. Alexis: Yeah, and that's the thing that, I mean, like as clinicians, as therapists, psychologists, counselors, I mean, you're, you're trained to, to provide interventions, ideally evidence based intervention, to, with the person right directly in front of you, right? And so you might have an approach and answer to that as that person's therapist, if that person was having those issues, but to try to guide someone to help someone else, We're not necessarily trained to do that unless you, yeah, I had, um, specialties in like community psychology.

Yeah. I'm like researching and creating like training programs for people and prevention programs where I'm like training other people. I am certified as a mental health first aider or facilitator. So I get to train and certify other people, lay people, people who don't have. Clinical training isn't just [00:06:00] anyone for how to respond to a mental health crisis.

The person you were working with seems like they needed that, that kind of education, right? Yeah,

Alex: I don't want to spend time with talking about how you want to help your friend.

Dr. Alexis: Yeah,

Alex: because that's, it's your therapy,

Dr. Alexis: right? I'm glad that, uh, we're focusing on change and the people that we work with are focused on change.

Let's talk about the news a little bit.

Alex: Yeah, well, when you were, you wanted to ask me a question, I can't remember what it was, but go for it.

Dr. Alexis: I don't know if you all have heard, um, is that in, in the news, they are saying that the research out there is clear. There's a clear link between alcohol consumption and increased risk of various types of cancer.

So much so that, that they're advocating to get one of those cancer risk labels on alcohol, like they do for cigarettes now. And so my, my big question to you all, to you, Alex, is if there was something that you [00:07:00] could do to help prevent cancer,

Alex: would you do it? I mean, sure, but I guess it wouldn't like, I think you're talking about like diminishing returns in some way.

Right. So when it comes to like. Alcohol. Do I have to do all alcohol forever to then get the benefit of then possibly not having cancer? Like I have a drink because I enjoy like a process of making of alcohol, just like I do love food or love, you know, it's wine or, or our spirits or anything, anything that's like really crafted.

I love the artistry. That's, that's part of that thing. And so I love the taste and I love all these other things. Like, just like I love coffee. Um, I don't want to waste my time with terrible coffee.

Dr. Alexis: Right. Even with that artistry. Mm hmm Is it worth the cancer risk?

Alex: But how much risk? See, that's what I'm saying.

Like diminishing return. Like I can give up that for the possibility of possibly not having cancer. Like that's the thing. It's not going to guarantee that I don't have cancer.

Dr. Alexis: So for example, [00:08:00] alcohol is linked to seven types of cancer, breast cancer in women. We always got something. Mouth, liver, throat. I mean, it keeps on going.

Let's talk about those percentages though. So what the key findings are is that any level of alcohol consumption can increase cancer risk. So even at moderate or low levels. And so for breast cancer, for example, risk increases by approximately 7 to 10 percent per 10 grams of alcohol consumed daily. So it's about like.

One drink.

Alex: Okay, Tanya, so you have to drink every single, if you're talking about drinking every day. See, I don't, I don't know. Like, I don't, I can't quantify this. Like, in my head, it's not. I mean, it's interesting that people write these things and have the definitive numbers, but like.

Dr. Alexis: Oral and grow cancer.

begin to rise significantly, even with low levels of drinking. Oh, my gosh. Heavy drinking over time is associated. And then I [00:09:00] hate it when they use like that generic kind of language. Like, what the hell does that

Alex: mean? Like, it's both very specific, like 10 milligrams, but also like

Dr. Alexis: very specific, like tell me exactly

Alex: what it translated to, like actual, like what it looks like as a human being.

Yeah. Say more about that. All right. So for example, like a cocktail versus 10 milligrams, or are we talking about drinking grain? Is there a difference between spirits and alcohol, like other types of spirits? Is there, because of sugar, is because of this, what is causing the cancer when it comes to the alcohol?

Is it just literally the alcoholic part? So then, did you drink like a really low or no alcoholic thing and then that leads to less risk of cancer? Like, do you see what I mean? Like, I don't know.

Dr. Alexis: No, alcohol, you have a baseline cancer risk. Drinking raises cancer risk by 10 to 20 percent. That's a lot. I think for me, what I struggle with, I guess it's the anxiety of like, God forbid I get some kind of cancer.

I have cancer risks in my family. That's also stuffy. [00:10:00] And if, man, if I'm on my deathbed, I'm like, fuck, I shouldn't have drank so much alcohol. I think I just don't want regrets. You know, both being too rigid and restrictive and not having fun. Like right now I'm not, I'm not eating any gluten or sugar. It sucks, but it's working.

But then also like, you know, what if. Something like this happens and I'm like, ah, such an, you know, I, I shouldn't have drank alcohol.

Alex: I could have done something, I could have done more. There's a lack of immediate consequence for potential delayed consequence. Yeah. Not even realize, just upstairs presented potential delayed consequence.

So like, that's a really hard thing to navigate in your head because that, like, that's. Somewhere down the line, something may happen that could possibly be linked to this one thing, but most likely linked to several other things.

Dr. Alexis: I mean, the fear based risk stuff works for me as a motivating factor, like growing up, the D.

A. R. E. program, [00:11:00] apparently, research shows the D. A. R. E. program, get kids off of drugs, didn't work, uh, across the board. It worked for my personality, so like, oh hell no, I don't want, I don't want to deal with that kind of, with those kinds of consequences. So, Um, cigarettes as well. We had a member in our family who had cancer from smoking.

And, um, I'm going like this because I can't, uh, You

Alex: know, the trach? Yeah. The truth, yeah.

Dr. Alexis: I grew up with that. I was seeing it firsthand. Um, and so I never, I never smoked cigarettes. I tried cigars. Um, but like that was never anything interesting to me. And so that works for me, but that's not everyone's personality.

Other people, like you're saying, focus more on the instant gratification. And I do kind of struggle with that when it comes to enjoying a gorgeous craft cocktail or a glass of wine or something. So I feel you on that.

Alex: And there's an amount of like, I mean, we move towards things that they kind of bring us some joy and we avoid some of the pain and suffering around with other stuff or [00:12:00] we avoid stuff because by doing something we feel like we really enjoy or engage in that way.

And then here's the thing, and that's why it becomes such an addictive thing because people avoid it to the point where they're like, Oh, now I'm drinking regularly to avoid things like. I put, we do have a pleasure principle there where we're kind of moving towards pleasure as opposed to the mundane things that we have to deal with constantly.

So there is, there is some like balance we have to create, but like, how do you make this meaningful? So if you're going to make some change, like say you want to. Kind of alcohol. What does that like actually mean to make positive change?

Dr. Alexis: And I think it's important to think about obviously all of the consequences, both the potential future based risk that might, and in the midterm, short term, um, smoking was never interesting to me because immediately after I was experiencing consequences of like, I get smelling on other people.

I didn't imagine what it feels like. So [00:13:00] none of that did anything for me. So we have the immediate gratification of something,

Alex: but

Dr. Alexis: as a deterrent, it might be helpful to focus on like the immediate, what would you call it? Disgust, just, or the immediate like consequence of something.

Alex: Yeah, that's why it's right.

So like, uh. Or, or having dating issues. You know, you know you, if you're smoking and you wake up confident the next day you have immediate consequence. You taste something differently Next day you smoking the

Dr. Alexis: next day, the next day. I don't think, I wouldn't necessarily count the next day consequences as immediate because,

Alex: but people who smoke will know it.

Notice the correlation between the two quite easily, that

Dr. Alexis: really people who drink and get hung over all the time or even like formulation night, they're sick. It's still, I think I media's like in the moment way.

Alex: I feel like it's close. I mean, I don't know. I feel like it's close enough for immediate.

That's immediate because like, you know, you start hacking because you usually don't start hacking a copper immediately after having a cigarette, but like you smoke several cigarettes the next day. You may not be breathing as well as you did the [00:14:00] day before. Yeah, I mean just because your lungs are literally inhaling something that it's having trouble processing.

I mean, like for example, like vaping it becomes so behavioral because it doesn't actually affect your lungs. There's no actual immediate consequence for things like vaping. And so people become really habitual around it. I'm glad I wasn't

Dr. Alexis: around when I was a kid because then, then, yeah, the flavors and everything that, that's, that's really tough because it was like almost less immediate consequence.

And more media gratification. Um, so that could be a challenge. Fun times we're living in. We talked about wanting to help our friends change. You know, if our friend, if we have concerns about our friends, how to navigate that, I highly recommend getting mental health first aid trained so you know how to navigate all levels of concern that you see in your coworkers, neighbors, friends, family.

I personally will train you in that [00:15:00] and help you get ready to help others. So helping friends through change, helping ourselves through change. But speaking of change, enhancing relationship skills is something that a lot of people have aspired to do, have goals around, and I love not only this person's voice, because it is oh so soothing, also.

their take on love language and focusing more, what about the conflict part?

We talk a lot about love languages when meeting people. I would like to know, what's your conflict language? Are you avoidant? Are you direct? Are you rude? Will I feel safe, even in conflict with you? This tells me more about a person than their love language, because when the chips are down and when emotions take over, who are you?

And are you still in control?

Alex: Yeah. How, how well do you emotionally regulate? How, how well do you communicate Rhea in conflict? Cause conflict is [00:16:00] neither good nor bad. Like that's the thing that people miss out. They just don't get it. Conflict just is. If you have a differing opinion, I can say, Oh, the best ice cream is chocolate and vanilla.

And neither of us are right or wrong. That's an opinion. So it doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. It's not a problem. It's not pain inducing there. It's just talking about. These various aspects of conflict, like this difference in an idea or opinion. Wordle had to have that all over the place. As long as we understand and move towards empathy and understand one another.

Right. So I love the idea of what's your conflict language. I think also calls people out on like, do you have healthy communication? Cause there are four types of communication. It's passive, passive aggressive, aggressive, and clear and healthy, which people are assertive. I was like, if you stomp your foot and tell the truth, you're just being aggressively honest.

Like, that's, that's, that's. I'll just

Dr. Alexis: be assertive.

Alex: Yep. No, I mean, let's be aggressive. But the idea is that three out of four are not so healthy.

Dr. Alexis: Even relationship stuff, when we're talking about change, [00:17:00] there's so many challenges around making lasting change. And this is everything from. You as an individual to helping your friends change to help society and community change and trying to help promote healthy change in your relationship or your family.

There's a lot going on here and it can be very challenging and I'm loving the motivation that people have and the curiosity too that people have around what about this aspect of my life and how can I enhance this and how can I make healthy decisions for myself? And I think one of the biggest challenges that we face today is that we have a lot of information like the news about the clear link between alcohol use and cancer risk.

So we have that information, but information doesn't equal behavior change.

Alex: No, no, no, no. Otherwise, all of our medical doctors, [00:18:00] he's would be, he's super healthy, and, and all of our psychologists would, uh. I would say, you, you've heard me say this, but it comes from Fight Club. Both the book and the movie, but the book is amazing if you haven't read it, but like Sticking Feathers Up is how it does make you a chicken.

I know it's very elegant. But like, you can have all of the information. It doesn't mean that you, it makes, that you're changing something. Like you have, change is something that you have to engage in. That's why it's so important to find like the ways you can engage in positive change. How to do it, what to do about, like, how are you even setting it up for yourself?

All of the information doesn't actually make you do it.

Dr. Alexis: Well, we're telling you have some solutions,

Alex: which, which is interesting because people always think of therapy is about talking about stuff, but I mean, no, it's about getting you to talk about the stuff that you're going to go do because it's about doing something different

Dr. Alexis: and it depends on your orientation.

I mean, some of it's just a lifetime of processing, not my favorite and not evidence based practice. There's better, there's more efficient stuff out there for you.

Alex: I'm, I'm not a forever therapist.

Dr. Alexis: Yeah. Check ins are good, but I mean, multiple times a week [00:19:00] for. You're full life and you're not experiencing any kind of changes.

Alex: Hey, that's if that's what you want to do with your time and energy and those things. Great. Cool.

Dr. Alexis: Let's talk about the, for those of you who do want to like actually make like healthy decisions in your life and take action, make change. We talked about the difference between the, and the challenges with the immediate gratification and things that we don't want to do anymore.

We. Also talked about the challenges and limitations of just focusing on the far distance delayed consequences. And so with that, you want to keep in mind, what is it in the here and now that is going to be impacted by this change? You're focusing more on like, instead of the big picture, I'm never going to drink a drop of alcohol again.

That's an awesome goal. And we have to talk about, like, how do we get you there? You know, what are all the little decisions you need to make? in order [00:20:00] to accomplish this, for many people, life altering

Alex: goal. You, and do you make that decision like daily or do you do that like carte blanche? Like, Oh, I'm going to have to have this goal that's all or nothing based all the way down the line.

Dr. Alexis: And so in that frame of mind, it's thinking more sometimes moment to moment.

Alex: Day to day, moment to moment. One day at a time isn't the same like rehab, right? There's a reason for it. Because that's why behavioral change is one day, one choice at a time. And that's where, I mean, like, I feel like that's where the people who are really trying to make change, you hear them talk about definitive change through things like that.

And I think that it's again, because positive change has to do with like acknowledging what you're, what you're doing daily, acknowledging what you're engaged in daily, like really emphasizing what it means to you and kind of engaging in that practice. Because you don't, for example, even if it was just like working out, right?

You just want to go to the gym, like making habits in around, say like the gym. And right now everybody's going to try and go to the gym to make change. And all [00:21:00] of a sudden that's going to be challenging. I've been working

Dr. Alexis: out from home because I didn't want to do it with people at the gym. And so you figure out what works for you, what are the barriers and then working through each of those barriers.

To, to make it as easy and accessible for you to make that healthy decision for yourself that then help you achieve those, those long term goals.

Alex: But if, but if you try and go, I'll, I'm going to do, I'm going to go to the gym seven days a week or five days a week and you go one day a week currently or no days a week currently.

Dr. Alexis: I'm going to go from zero to a hundred. That's what I work with all of my clients on. Whenever they give, they present some kind of goal, I'm like, that sounds awesome. Good. We're, we're going to focus on that. My next question, my next line of questioning is basically me trying to find out what is your baseline.

So where, what, what are you doing, you know, this past week, two weeks, how, how has this been going for you? And so, and then recognizing and validating if we Focus on going from [00:22:00] zero to a hundred from not working at all to working out every day. It's going to be short lived and you're setting yourself up for failure.

Alex: Yeah. How do you, how do you change and make it sustainable? Yeah. So that's what I think of value based things. I think about positive things, understanding why you're doing it or what resonates with you, how it leads to that potentiality of being the person you really want to be or believe you are. Those value based things are, are where you need to live because otherwise, like you're just kind of stuck.

Yeah,

Dr. Alexis: I, I, and, and that kind of like, um, that incongruence just messes with my brain

Alex: where

Dr. Alexis: people say, I value my family, but then they're not making healthy decisions for themselves that helps them be present for their family that

Alex: helps

Dr. Alexis: them stay alive and healthy and well for their family. Right. Let alone for [00:23:00] themselves.

Alex: Well, and it's because they're not looking at the problem from all of the different areas. And that, that's where I think that's also something in which if your goal setting, if you're setting some things in which you're trying to change and you're trying to achieve that, I love your point there. I love that idea because you have to look at it from all areas and go, is this something that fits into all these other value sets?

How does this affect all these other value sets?

Dr. Alexis: Yeah. So if there is some other kind of vice or addiction or use or. Even just like not going to the doctors regularly.

Alex: Yeah.

Dr. Alexis: How does that impact your family if they're concerned about you or if you get sick and then you pass it on to your elderly parent that you're taking care of or the infant who's also living with you in this multi generational household.

The decisions that you're making in your life. are not only impacting you, of course, but then they have this kind of ripple effect on every other aspect of your life.

Alex: Yeah.

Dr. Alexis: Or your [00:24:00] love, your partner, your parents, your kids, your neighbors, your career. I mean, if you say, even if you just say like, All I value is money and my career.

Guess what? If you're not following up with your doctor appointments, you're a human being. You get sick and you can't make it to that big meeting. It's going to impact you.

Alex: It touches on everything. Yes. Yeah.

Dr. Alexis: And that's why even for us, we specialize in working with people in entertainment. tech and really like high pressured industries.

And they see the consequence. They see the consequences of people who are not psychologically healthy or well, who are exhausted, who are overworked, who are not taking time to take care of themselves. They see the consequences of that when people aren't able to perform at their roles and responsibilities, like on set you're in a big multimillion dollar production.

And we just have to fill in those pieces [00:25:00] there. I was like, You're experiencing the consequences with liabilities, financial issues regarding like all the extra pay that it's going to take to redo the scene or just even with delay. This is all preventable. Yeah. You know. To at least some extent.

Alex: People don't tie these things back to actual tangible things and how they see the reality.

Again, emotional intelligence, right? You got to see how it fits into everything else. You have to set it up your value set. And then the other thing I think about is like, how do you make this thing really happen? Like accountability partners, like there's so many ways to work through and create sustainable change tools out there, all sorts of things.

And I think that's where the world is, is available to you. So you go and do those things and actually utilize things that create sustainable change. So that's why I think I'm like, there's a lot of stuff out there. How do you sort through it? How do you kind of find the stuff that works for you specifically?

Dr. Alexis: And that's, that's where a solution focused therapy approach. Or some kind of wellness coaching or [00:26:00] executive coach. I mean, depending on what you want to focus in on, wellness will cover everything. If you want to do executive that's career leadership, performance coaching, dating, whatever it is, that's why it can be so helpful to have someone to work through all of these things and to really fine tune and curate your plan of attack.

Alex: Yeah.

Dr. Alexis: And to support you through the trial and error because it's going to take some, some tweaking. And even if you find something that works or maybe you found something that worked in the past, things change, you change, your environment, your circumstances change. So learning how to adapt with all of that as well along the way is so beneficial.

We have, we have some recommendations. We have our, I like our title, Alex and Alexis's Wellness Picks. And those are very specific things that we use to help us. You'll notice that in, in our healthy change. List, there are a lot of whiteboards because I am looking at them right now. I [00:27:00] have a big one for planning.

I have the calendar and then I have like my to do and it has to be up and in my face and I have to be able to edit it as needed. So

Alex: you also have to find tools that meet you where your brain is at. Like You love the visual stimulus of like things around to keep you, keep you in the loop of that thing.

I have to like write things down. So like I don't have to see it. But once I write it down, I'm good.

Dr. Alexis: And Novcoi Technology has been so helpful because it, even though it's put away or it's on my ring, I get notifications. And then it tells me, it reminds me to do these things. We both actually use Peloton for staying healthy, especially while we're on the road because even if we don't have access to our bike, we use the app and I'm also the big on the social aspect of working out.

And so a lot of my friends are on the app too, and then we get to support each other through the process. So when it comes to, and I've tried everything ever. But Pelotona has been like a really big, long lasting change for me because I mean, it's full of features I [00:28:00] need.

Alex: So like, when you look at like markers for indicating change, right?

They have a small class, a longer class, a shorter class. They have different varieties of people, different varieties of music. They also have beginner, intermediate type of thing. So you can have a cross sectionality of what you really need. That's what you have to look at when you look at change. So they do a good job at like looking at establishing patterns of behavior.

Good for you, Peloton. But I think, and we're not sponsored by Peloton, by the way. But like the idea is that like any of those things, anything that you find that is multifaceted, like that, that beats you where you're at. That's what we talk. That's what you need. Yes. Sustainable change comes from you finding things that engage your value set, allow you to engage with your value set, make it present in the way that you think and experience the world.

So if you're. Visual learner, auditory learner, all the things that you learn in school, kinesthetic learner, experiential learner, like that didn't go away. That was still around. Like that didn't change. We just forgot about it in school and didn't do it ever again. So go back to touching back on those things.

Dr. Alexis: Where the research is like, there's not really different types of intellect, but there are different types of ways that we engage in the [00:29:00] world and that we learn and learn best. Just learn, continue to, to play around, call it play, continue to play around with trying out different things and seeing what works for you and what doesn't, pay attention to that, consider properly trained coaching, and not someone who just self proclaimed this ability and skill set or therapy to help you guide through the process and explore a bit more, and then take a look at our resources, is.

Again, we have our wellness picks, and then we have the Aura Health app. We have both meditations, stories, and then even just educational lessons with journal prompts and practical steps. If you're interested in learning how to help others make healthy changes in their life too, whether it's at work, if you work in the entertainment industry, production, cast and crew, we have mental health first aid specifically for onset for production, cast and crew.

And then we also have our general mental health first aid [00:30:00] training, so you can get certified as a mental health first aider. So that way we can learn how to take care of ourselves, but then also learn how to support and take care of others.

Alex: Your mental health first aid.

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